Pitty for the Brainwashed - 04/21/2004
It is sad that one christian, or any person who believes in any of the worlds religions can claim that the others are "cults" and their's is not. It is becoming more and more apparent to me that brainwashed, ignorant people like yourselves, claim to know what the truith is.
It's people like yourselves who denounce other Religions and beliefs as false that make the world the messed up, bloody place that it is. Tolerance of other beliefs, and true love of the earth and everyhing on it is the only way that the human race will ever be able to co-exist.
I'm am a scientist who was raised as a Christian. I've seen both sides of the coin. Your assertation that evolution is only faith, the same as Christianity, just shows how brainwashed and uneducated you are. First off, Evolution is a Theory, and therefore is open to scientific critisicm and debate. As opossed to Genesis, or any part of the bible, which questioning it would be a "sin". As for paleontology not being able to prove evolution, this is partly true. Paleontology is only this study of fossils and rocks containing fossils. One thing that is clear from paleontology is that there were no fish/vertebretes in the geologic recod more that 500 million years ago, and certainly nothing that came close to humans. The first mammals didn't show up in geologic history until about 200 million years ago. Dinosaurs went extinct about 65 MYA. Nothing even closely resembling humans has ever been found in rocks until about 4 MYA. To make a statement like belief is evolution is purely faith like christianity clearly shows that you have never even begun to give it a chance but have only looked to disprove it.
So on the seventh day God created man. Well where was he for the 4.5 billion years since the seventh day until he showed back up less that 4 MYA. Oh, I guess we never found any of those rocks.
I'm not saying that God hasn't created us and the Universe around us. I'm just saying that you don't have a clue.
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Hi Dominic. Thanks for emailing us, even if you couldn't refrain from petty
insults and ad hominem attacks. For future reference, people will be more
willing to engage in a serious discussion with you if you can keep from
resorting to childish name-calling. However, there are some points that I
would like to address.
First, you said, "It's people like yourselves...that make the world the
messed up, bloody place that it is." Can you provide some examples to
support that allegation? Over the past couple of centuries, the world has
seen a lot of wars. Can you tell me which have been caused by Christians
contending for their faith? If you're going to mention the Crusades, bear
in mind that we are critical of the Crusades ourselves, and try to think of
examples that aren't so old. When you make vitriolic accusations like that,
it's a good idea to have some evidence to back it up.
You also said, "Your assertation that evolution is only faith, the same
as Christianity, just shows how brainwashed and uneducated you are."
Ignoring, for a moment, the insults and bad spelling/grammar, where did we
make that assertion? I have looked all over our section on evolution and
can't find anywhere that we have made that claim. In fact, in our evolution
section, we say, "Evolution today is taught in schools as a fact. Some
institutions may refer to it as theory, but not very many. What is the
truth? The truth is, evolution is only a theory, if you approach it via the
scientific method.... The truth is, evolution has not been subject to direct
observation, and cannot be supported or reproduced in experiments. Oh, some
will tell you they've observed evolution, but all they've truly observed is
small mutations within a species -- quite different from evolution. For all
their grand claims, an HONEST scientist will have to agree that evolution is
a theory only, and barely one at that." So we agree with you that
evolution is a theory. Perhaps you read an email where we quoted scientist
L.T. More who said, “The more one studies paleontology, the more certain
one becomes that evolution is based on faith alone; exactly the same sort of
faith which is necessary to have when one encounters the great mysteries of
religion…the only alternative is the doctrine of special creation, which may
be true, but is irrational.” You'll note that this quote comes from an
evolutionist. Did you catch the other quotes in that email?:
Nobel Prize-winning physicist Dr. Robert A. Millikan, in a speech before the
American Chemical Society, said, “The pathetic thing about it is that
many scientists are trying to prove the doctrine of evolution, which no
science can do.”
Dr. David Raup, curator of geology at the Field Museum of Natural History in
Chicago states that the “250,000 species of plants and animals recorded
and deposited in museums throughout the world did not support the gradual
unfolding hoped for by Darwin.”
Klaus Dose, a prominent evolutionist said, “More than 30 years of
experimentation on the origin of life in the fields of chemical and
molecular evolution have led to a better perception of the immensity of the
problem of the origin of life on Earth rather than to its solution.”
Are all these scientists brainwashed as well? Even the evolutionists? You
seem to think our views on the origins of life exist outside the realm of
rational thought -- that we have a contentious attitude toward science. You
couldn't be further from the truth! However, you and I both know that
evolution is taught in schools as a fact, not a theory. And if you
truly are a scientist, as you claim to be, you'll know what a fallacious
position that is, as evolution is not subject to the scientific method. The
truth is, no animal has ever been observed changing into any fundamentally
different kind of animal, no one has ever observed life spontaneously
arising from nonliving matter, and matter cannot make itself out of
nothing. The theory of evolution relies on some fairly ridiculous
assumptions. That's where faith comes in on your part. Even your
presentation of the age of the earth presumes that the earth is billions of
years old. Yet science has proven no such thing, and there is quite a bit
of scientific evidence to the contrary! Why don't people know about this
scientific evidence? Because the religious doctrine called the theory of
evolution is taught to the exclusion of creationism in schools. ACLU
attorney Clarence Darrow, fighting a law that prohibited the teaching of
evolution in schools, said, "It is the height of bigotry to teach only
one view of origins." Where is the ACLU now? Why aren't people like
you, who cherish honest scientific criticism and debate, bringing a
scientific discussion of creationism into the classroom?
If you feel strongly about evolution, and feel we are just brainwashed, I
encourage you to
, and see how well you answer the questions presented on
this page. If those questions have whetted your appetite for more
scientific evidence supporting creation, I also encourage you to visit the
websites listed below:
I strongly encourage you to read through those sites, and see if you don't
find a lot of scientific support for creationism. See if you feel we are
being "brainwashed." I think you'll find, if you are intellectually honest,
that the only logical explanation for the origin of the world and the origin
of life is something that defies the laws of nature as we know them. Such a
supernatural occurance is not supported by Darwin's doctrine, but it is
found in the Genesis account of creation.
Finally, you call us intolerant for proclaiming how certain religious
beliefs are false when compared with biblical truth. In doing so, we are
careful to be critical of beliefs, rather than of adherants of
those beliefs. Yet because we don't agree with Darwinian evolution, which
you believe to be true, you call us "ignorant", "uneducated", and clueless.
You engaged in personal insults because we don't believe as you do. Perhaps
you should take another look at your email, and ask yourself who is being
Ben and Jennifer Rast
p.s. Before you write to someone and call them "ignorant" and "uneducated",
I urge you to consider the following about the email you sent us.
1. "Pity" only has one 't'.
2. "Truth" is not known to contain the letter 'i'.
3. There is no such word as "assertation".
4. "Theory" should only be capitalized at the beginning of a sentence.
5. "Opposed" contains two 'p's and one 's', not the other way around.
6. "Criticism" is not usually spelled "critisicm".
7. "Vertebrates" does contain an 'a'.
8. "Record" has more than one 'r'.
9. I won't even begin to list the myriad grammatical and punctuation
You'll have more credibility if you remember those points, and won't sound
like a college freshman as opposed to a "scientist."